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Okay, so before I get started, I'll state why I'm putting this up: I'm putting this up is because the subject of Lycanthropes at camp is constantly brought up, for this to have an official outcome it'd be best if the outcome represents the majority of the Wiki.

Debate

First off, in the books the Lycan thirsted for the blood of demigods; they attacked the main trio in the first book of the Heroes of Olympus (The Lost Hero), and if it wasn't for the Hunters, they probably wouldn't survive. Secondly, if it wasn't clear already, this species certainly weren't on the side of good. The Liberatio Generis would be a somewhat good fit for them, but at camp, where demigods dwell, wouldn't be safe. Now, I understand that there's a Lyncanthrope who was born, but in the books (and on the encyclopedia Wiki) it clearly states that Rick uses biting to turn someone into a Lycanthrope. In conclusion, they are bloodthirsty monsters, who wouldn't be at camp in the first place. Comments and such would be appreciated.

Catcat Oh, my paws and whiskers! Iris Message ❤❤❤ Minxie ❤❤❤02:01,22/8/2012

I agree with you minx. Not only are lycans bloodthirsty in the books, but throughout history they have been described as monsters an therefore should be treated as such. An less I'm wrong the book doesn't specifically state what type of impulse control they have over their urges, but I think most can conclude that they would have a lot less control over their actions then a demigod, and most likely wouldn't be welcomed at camp. The true genius shudders at incompleteness and usually prefers silence to saying something which is not everything it should be. 02:11, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well, there could be such thing as GOOD lycans, just not very often. I also think that even if Rick only said that biting and scratching but, that doesn't mean they CAN'T be born. He Who Finds a Friend, Finds a Treasure ~ Shady 02:14, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

How could they be good when its in their instinct to hunt kill and eat humans? The true genius shudders at incompleteness and usually prefers silence to saying something which is not everything it should be. 02:21, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever thought that they could be trained to NOT kill He Who Finds a Friend, Finds a Treasure ~ Shady 02:23, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

You've seemed to have forgot that they're monsters. It's in they're instinct. They kill.

Catcat Oh, my paws and whiskers! Iris Message ❤❤❤ Minxie ❤❤❤02:24,22/8/2012

Centaurs are monsters too and look at how Chiron turned out. He Who Finds a Friend, Finds a Treasure ~ Shady 02:27, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but its not in their nature to kill their not bloodthirsty monsters. They won't attack you if you don't attack them. A lycan is like a serial killer. You can try to fix them, try to heal them and whatnot but in the end. Your going to have another dead body on your hands. The true genius shudders at incompleteness and usually prefers silence to saying something which is not everything it should be. 02:29, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Regardless, they're not good. They were commanded by Khione in The Lost Hero

Catcat Oh, my paws and whiskers! Iris Message ❤❤❤ Minxie ❤❤❤02:32,22/8/2012

I admit I was the first one to create the idea of good Lycan, since although rare it could happen. As for how they are turned I can see them both being born and bitten or scratched since it is possible. But in my opinion it is about experience and will. Is there a risk yes, but with enough time I can see them holding off on these impulses. Think about this way if Lycan can't control himself than why is Gaia allowing him to help her. Shouldn't he and the other werewolves be ripping apart the monster if they were so blood thirty. It doesn't matter who turned him or if he was cursed if they werewolf was so dangerous than they shouldn't be trust by no one. This doesn't just include the werewolf this includes all the monster in this site.There's no such thing as a stupid question, Only stupid people! 02:33, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

The books use biting as a form of infecting another.

Catcat Oh, my paws and whiskers! Iris Message ❤❤❤ Minxie ❤❤❤02:35,22/8/2012


I have mixed feelings about this. I know they shouldn't really be here in the first place, but I think after a while, they will have become used to/immune to being around demigod blood. It's like training a dog not to bark, despite it being animal instinct. FarnsworthIt smells of fudge... Fudgewhen there is no fudge....-Jake

Keep in mind, we aren't talking about 1 exception anymore (Trav's lycan), I might be able to understand 1 exception, but as everything, now everyone wants one, and we are up to like 3 or 4 now on the wiki, where will it stop? Is it honestly reasonable to think that there could be 10 "good" lycans?

Bach23Buch-0117CutepinkclockTardis pixel my first dd by aqua spirit22-d69l8fwBig Bouncy Aristocrat by LeoLeonardo

I agree with Bach, one exception to the rule is alright but when you start having an entire pack of "good" lycans it gets out of control. In the abridged words of Hagrid 'Your bound to get a weird one now and again in any species.'. But that does not mean that a Lycan cannot form a sense of control over their bloodlust, I have a BC lycan and she is able to resist the need to kill demigods, granted being over 705 years old allows for that sort of control to be formed. Thank you for calling CHRPW Tech Support This is Jrite how can I help you 03:00, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and some virus can be passed on through the next generation through blood, or seaman. So if a woman were to get pregnant from the union, or she was pregnant at the time, than she would have turned into a werewolf and her kid would be a werewolf. Okay 10 different good Lycans i can see that a bit overboard especially when they want to be demigods and Lycans. When I created Asen i did think about the situation to which one would be able to have a Lycan turn good. That when i remember the nature vs nurture argument, which is how i did mine, where he learned to ignore his impulses. I can understand why claims will be turned away at this point since having more than one werewolf at camp would be unlikely. I don't honestly want my character that been here for almost a year to go away, or for his entire concept to be changed. And honestly that right now is my biggest concerns. There's no such thing as a stupid question, Only stupid people!

Yea the problem is, now there's like 3 at camp, and no matter what, users will see those 3 and argue that they get to have them so that's not fair. This is why I so badly hate exceptions, because exceptions means that someone gets to have something no one else can have

Bach23Buch-0117CutepinkclockTardis pixel my first dd by aqua spirit22-d69l8fwBig Bouncy Aristocrat by LeoLeonardo

If you want I will offer a compromise, if I have Asen or any of the one that camp leave camp, but here the thing one option is join bc, and another option should be living in the deep forest since monster do live there already. I want to perserve the nature of the site, but I don't want to tarnish a good character.There's no such thing as a stupid question, Only stupid people!

@Shady by the way, Centaurs aren't monsters, monsters reform, centaurs don't, centaurs are nature spirits.

Bach23Buch-0117CutepinkclockTardis pixel my first dd by aqua spirit22-d69l8fwBig Bouncy Aristocrat by LeoLeonardo

We don't even use the spin-off series as canon for the wiki anyway. Why would lycanthropes from it be allowed if we don't use it as canon anyway?

As for lycanthropes in general, however, there weren't any actual lycanthropes in the books nor mythology, or a mention of them, actually... the only one similar to having lycanthropy was Lycaon himself. He was the first wolf and the father of the first wolves, which were his fifty sons who were turned into wolves by Zeus. In short, no lycanthropes should be allowed, regardless. Perhaps Asen and the other lycanthropes can be cursed by the gods to turn into wolves or something of the likes, but there has never been an explicit canon reference to lycanthropes. As for the encyclopedia wiki, they probably have it wrong. I never find any actual citings on that wiki. Unless someone can bring me a direct book quote that says otherwise, from skimming into the Lycaon part in the book, it says nothing about lycanthropes.

Tardis-ID"Allons-y!" (NocturnalDelusionTalkBlog)- 17:21,8/22/2012

Normally, I would use White Wolf Games' Garou as the basis for my opinion on generic lycanthropes since they pull were-creature lore from just about everywhere. In this case though, we don't seem to need a general view since we have specific references to pull from. And in those references, lycanthropes at camp would be a very bad idea. Falling from heaven is not as painful as surviving the impact 23:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bach and Minx. One or two "good" lycans wouldn't be too unusual, but having multiple ones, especially at camp, just doesn't make sense. However, for the purposes of this wiki, and so as to not exclude anyone, I don't think there should be a limit on how many lycanthropes should be allowed at camp either. If the wiki as a majority feels the same way, perhaps something could be done similar to the deletion of the Janus and Leto cabins, where the lycanthropes would have to leave camp and the users would get first choice for their next character.

 Ruby ~I never said thank you for that, thought I might get one more chance. 23:18,8/22/2012 

I agree with you Minxy but for the characters who already have Lycans we should make something like a sanctuary or something for them to talk. They should also be able to get into tussles with Demigods. I know I don't really matter in this but still, just brainstorming.

RaidenTheNinja

A sanctuary for them to converse? You seem to be missing the point. They're vicious, Raid. Maybe not the exceptions, but they're supposed to be.

Catcat Oh, my paws and whiskers! Iris Message ❤❤❤ Minxie ❤❤❤01:50,23/8/2012

My input on this subject is, that as much as I would love to have lycans to Rp as or with, their nature isn't a stable one to have at camp. Minx said in the opening statement that lycans thirst for demigod blood and that the only place for them would the Liberatio would be a good place for them, but wolves aren't usually tame animals. Lycans are half-wolf, half-human creatures and in the books, they didn't seem to show any restraint or loyalty to anyone but their master, Lycaon. "Life is a daring adventure or nothing at all." - Hellen Keller | Wise the Artist (talk) 23:01, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is stupid. Yeah, I can see one lycan be the odd one but like Del said, lycans aren't even on the Greek myths. Sure, they'd be fun to rp, but that's not part of our wiki is it? We took out roman stuff from here but from what I know, the romans talked more about lycans than the Greeks. I never actually thought lycans fit into this universe (and I pretty much think Rick Riordan was a bit off when he decided to put them on his books) but if someone wants them, get me the myth where it came from and I won't say a thing against them. But, I think that even if they are in the myths, they should be in the BC. They're wild! They're blood thirsty! They're beasts! They are not some cute puppy you can tame into doing what you want and I personally don't see the fun on rp'ing a tamed beast. Free flower icon 3 by revpixy-d5ea17q We accept the love we think we deserve Bloom 23:37, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

LYKAON (or Lycaon) was an early king of Arkadia who lived in the time before the Great Deluge. He sought to test the divinity of Zeus by serving the god a slaughtered child--either his son Nyktimos, grandson Arkas, or a Molossian captive. Zeus was furious and overturning the table, destroyed the fifty sons of Lykaon with lightning-bolts, and turned the king into a wolf. http://www.theoi.com/Heros/Lykaon.html Wolfie95 (talk) 01:02, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

In the Book Tales of the Greek Heroes by Roger Lancelyn and introduced by Rick Riordan on Pages 47-48 It talks about how Lycaon was, and I quote, "A Fierce, Savage man given to all manner of evil. He had 50 sons, and most of them were as bad as he was, and like him they were cannibals" That is why the ones in the stories seem so bad it is because the Father/ Alpha is a Horrible Horrible man. Now if this man wasn't his father would his children have been so bad? Werewolves are famed for being savage monsters that only want death, but they weren't Always like that people can reject the Alpha like Lycaon's son Nyctimus who refused too eat human meet like his father and brothers and thus turned into the stew that was served too Zeus. Fear can make someone do things they would have never done in the first place and that's why i believe his Sons at first didn't want too be like there father but fear drove them that way. Wolfie95 (talk) 01:02, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lycaon is considered the First werewolf( man turned wolf) and clearly Rick thinks he is a werewolf. Lycaon mostly uses Fear too control his pack, but there are a thing such as Lone wolfs which are pretty common among wolves who decide too pull away from there birth pack and that's what these people are big Wolves. There are reports of Lone Wolves coming together too make a pack or Joining another pack. Lycans are victims and people tend too forget that. I believe there would be Werewolves brave enough too leave there birth pack though Lycaon obviously wont like that but I will bet my bottom dollar that he would leave behind the weak too die. Wolfie95 (talk) 01:02, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

I like the Idea of some sorta sanctuary for abandoned Wolves. Obviously they shouldn't be aloud in camp. There is already too much bad blood on that part and they would be killed if they try and set foot in Camp Half Blood. Maybe something like your guys Broken Covenant where someone wanting too help his or her fellow fallen wolves. Werewolves are apart of Greek Mythology Since they use The Greek Names in the myth though different types of the Myth has come out but all have Zeus in it somewhere. well there is my 2 cents take it how you will Wolfie95 (talk) 01:02, August 24, 2012 (UTC) (<-- added that between them so people will know I added it)

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